Staggering Interest In The Philippines
I just got my credit card statement for my Philippines issued credit card. I’ve been wondering what kind of interest rate they would charge me, I need wonder no more. It is only 3.5 %. That sounds pretty good huh? Well that’s 3.5% per month not per year. Per year that works out to 39% interest! This came as no surprise to me. I had long ago learned how interest in the Philippines works. It is important for expat finances to understand how interest in the Philippines is presented.
Now, I’m recalling being a brand new to living in the Philippines and needing to furnish the home I’m renting. We took out quite a large loan in Jessie’s name. They wouldn’t put it in my name. I thought wow, only 5% interest. Then I looked at how much we had to pay back. The numbers didn’t compute at all. Not to my Western way of thinking.
I kept trying to figure out what was going on with it. I thought there must be a mistake in their math. I recall that it took me a day or more to find the “mistake.” The mistake was my assuming the interest rates in the Philippines were quoted the same way they are in the USA.
When an American sees an interest rate they think in terms of yearly but in the Philippines the stated interest rate is stated by month. Perhaps because no one in their right mind would borrow anything at these interest rates.
Interest In The Philippines Is Stated In Monthly Terms
So finally I realized my 5% interest was really 60% per year! It wouldn’t have mattered, we needed air con and a ref. Probably didn’t need this now dead TV though. The little one still works. We also certainly need a few beds and I got a thicker mattress. Still not up to American standards and probably needs to be replaced. Then again, it didn’t cost at American standards either. Instead of $1000 it was about $200.
Maybe the rich expats that complain about high prices in the Philippines still buy their Western style beds and other furniture. Me, I found that was really excessive and unneeded.
Loans on housing are much shorter term here. Most of the ones I see are paid off in two years and I don’t think they carry the same excessively high interest that consumer credit does.
Don’t worry, I wont be running up a bill on my Philippines credit card that I can’t pay monthly or very nearly monthly. I intentionally left a small balance on the card so I could see what the actual interest rate would be. It looks like they did some creative accounting when they charged me. I had a remaining balance of P2000 but was charged about P170. Folks that’s not 3.5% that should have only been about P70. Perhaps there is some hidden fee too. It isn’t a concern really. Charges I made during last month have already been paid.
Expat banking in the Philippines requires caution. Not so much because your money isn’t safe. Stick with the large national banks and you are unlikely to have a problem. Like most everything in the Philippines you should not expect it to be like your homeland. Doing that could be an expensive lesson. Interest in the Philippines is the most obvious way to demonstrate this.
With my upcoming trip to Palawan, no telling what kind of damage I will do. Though I plan to use mostly cash. Probably entirely cash. One never knows and it is nice to have a Philippines based credit card. It provides me with extra flexibility. It also provides me with that high interest in the Philippines.
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Interesting to see the interest rate annualized. I’m glad I pay mine off every month. Now, even with PI credit cards, can they be used much or is cash still King?
Cash is king. Most shops that I go to don’t take credit cards. I’m not sure how many places inside the big malls take them. They can be used at the biggest stores, some restaurants, many resorts and hotels, all international hotels. Hotels usually accept international cards but many places will add 5% to the charge. Against the rules in the USA but it is done here.
Keeping a lot of debt on a credit card here would be crazy.
I see conflict ahead, not in my life time but there seems to be a bit of keeping the poor poor in this country. This is another example. On the other hand, I suspect defaults are quite high. No credit bureaus. here.
I’ve successfuly used US based Visa C C in both SM and Gaisano malls in Davao, Panabo City, and Tagum.
In a restaurant or the SM and Gaisano stores themselves.?
Rusty,
You say, “don’t worry, I wont be running up a bill on my Philippines credit card that I can’t pay monthly or very nearly monthly.
Who cares? I don’ need anyone to “worry” about my card except Mr. John.
FYI: 3.5% interest/month = 42%/yr, not 39%! Didn’t you tell us you used to be an accountant? LOL
John do you think the world revovles around what you care about?
I like rusty’s personal interjections. There are a lot of web sites around the net that are not personal. I find them boring.
Rusty, I hope you don’t change a thing.
Tommy, don’t worry, I’m not going to change a thing.:)
Tommy,
Are you obtuse or what? Everyone cares about their health and welfare, and that’s what i’d like to see more articles about. We can’t do anything about the eschange rate except manage your moeny wisely.
I’ve sold everything here ot move to the PI soon: car, bed, etc. I, and find I can do w/o many things I clinged to most of life. t’s amazing what we all here consider necessities, are extreme luxuries in
the PI.
john, I must be slow since that insult made no sense to me and I also do not have narcissistic personality disorder.
John, I hope you have visited and spent a few weeks in the Philippines before you decide to put “all in”. It is very differant there and maybe time there will just make you appreciate that the USA is the best country in the world. So unless you need to hide from something, its best to have a way back home. I met guys there who after a few years are sick of the heat, the dirt, the overcrowding, the always feeling like a foreigner, the corruption ect. but have cut ties and have no easy way back home again. You don’t want to end up like them drunk, miserable, and heading for an early death. Everyone is differant you may be one who thinks it paradise but if possible keep your options open.
Dear Jodon,
I appreciate your sincere concern.
1. I’ve spent 5 months (of the past 19) in Mindanao,
two of which were dedicated to financing/building
new home for g/f’s poor family at that time.
2. There is no issue that US is best country and one
will miss it.
3. Nothing to hide, friend. Am retired/pension and
married for love and family near Davao.
4. With liquidating everything here, creativity and
thrift will apply should we return to live in US.
I look forward to new life. Every day above ground
is a good day…
John “birdbrain”
You seem to know what your doing then good luck and hope to meet you some time in the Phil I just hear so much about it being paradise there on forums and worry about people coming over with overblown expectations, and finding themselves in trouble and far from home.
Hey you guys, I should let you know that Australia is the best country in the world ( look at what the GFC has done to every other country in the world ) but the Philippines has the friendliest people in the world closely followed by Australia. I know this is going to get me lots of flak but “thats life”
Wow, rusty pegged you rigit on the nail. use of impressive words is a diagnostic sign of peersonality disorders, you feel the need to show you are supprior. Could be NPD or could be severe insecurity and try8ing to mask it.
Oh come on lets all be nice! I would say don’t live in the Ph. on credit. Save up money first in a higher economy country and then move with cash. This is a nice site BTW, content as well as design! Let there be peace between brothers/sisters.
Thanks Mike, yeah, that was the idea. Living on credit in the Philippines is a bit crazy, but there were times I had to use it.
Rusty,
In da stores.
You’re being elusive John. Well, it seems that way to me but that’s because I worked as an auditor.
Probably not intentional. After 10 years of doing that, I learned the hard way to get direct and clear answers or I make bad decisions.
You used an American based credit card in SM Shoe Mart and Gaisano the store. Not other stores, those two stores?
It has been three years since I tried and they didn’t take them then.
Are there any stores in SM and Gaisano malls that take credit cards? Probably, I never tried. I don’t want to use mine.
I’m just trying to find out if things have changed that much.
wow rusty your cool …..let any crititizum hahaha run off your back like water on a duck ass hahahahha you are informative and get your point across just fine , exact figures are for work and spending so much time on the net allll the time who needs the hassle of bean counting or presision when talking about thies sujects in general you do great and is much better than trying to be a presision hitter all the time it too much worky just like correcting muy spellling is tooo much workyyy…hahahahah later dude peace love dove out
I let someone suck me in just a little while ago. Then I thought about it and deleted my comment and let him go on with whatever he wants to say.
I’m just not going to engage. If someone crosses the line, I’ll just make sure it doesn’t continue.
I’ve spent 16 years learning how to do websites, this site doesn’t get over 1000 new visitors every day because I’m clueless.
I wish I could just remember everything I’ve learned. LOL
Thanks for your kind words.
Your message got sent to spam, found three others in there and pulled them out. The others were by two other people.
This site gets 500 spam comments per day, I’m going to have to start checking closer I suppose. They are from automated bots. Even if the site is down due to some software conflict the spammer just keep on pouring in.
They present zero problem. I use to have more protection installed but it slowed down the site so I got rid of it.
Dear Rusty,
I would like to know your position on prepaid credit cards. How practical are they in the PI? Can they be used to purchase airline tickets there, etc?
John, I’ve never used them but I would think they are just as good as any other credit card.
Seems to be some added security in using prepaid if one doesn’t put a lot of cash on them.
Most places will add 5% for using a credit card. I don’t know if the airlines do that? If I need to use a credit card then I need to use one. haha So, I don’t spend of a lot of time dwelling on it. Like when you’re booking online.
Cebu Pacific use to let you book online and then go pay in cash at an agent within 48 hours or so. I don’t know if they still have that option. If they do, it is a good one to use when they have their seat sales. Often the seat sales go VERY fast.
I saw a sale from Cebu to Tacloban a few days ago, I thought about it but in the time it takes me to get to Cebu City, I can already be in Leyte. Then a short bus ride on over to Tacloban. That is where Jessie is from.
I still wouldn’t use an American based credit card to book on Cebu Pacific online UNLESS I had extra cash in case it took a couple of months to get my money back. It is probably fine now, but until I know, I wouldn’t do it.
I don’t think there will be any difference between prepaid and regular credit card. I don’t think the vendor would know the difference nor care.
Can one do a charge back with a prepaid? I always used debit card in the USA. Here, I almost always use cash. As you know, most places don’t take credit cards at all. Some restaurants, travel agents, most hotels (agents and hotels usually add 5%) and I think that is about it.
Last I checked, SM, Gaisano and the like only take Philippines based credit cards.
no worrys rusty you do just fine and get the general point across ,,,perfection is toooo much worky just like corrrecting my spelling who realy cares where just talkinnggg ok ,,, thks rusty you are very informative and knowlegable most of what you say i later find out to be exact ……….and when im done filtering through all the free web builing sites and what not mabey you can teach me how the heck you did this site it is the sign of a pro ,,,,, later dude peace out
Well thank you very much.
It is done with WordPress which makes it very easy for someone that started with a text editor building my first website about 16 years ago.
I mostly just played around with it though but made some money here and there. These days it is provides very good extra income that allows me to do more than sit in front of a computer playing games. Which is about what I could afford to do without the websites.
I do a little teaching but I don’t spend as much time on that site as I would like to. It is all free though someday I hope to offer a paid membership. That’s a hard market to get into as there is so much competition and one of the first things one must learn is to attack at low competition points.
My Internet Marketing site is at http://rustyfergusonmarketing.com/blog I did really jump start my learning when I took Chris Farrell’s course there. At the time I took it, he didn’t teach much WordPress. It is really a good place to start for beginners without paying the absurd prices of $2000 that many charge. He does too at another site he works with. You can get everything you need to get started for I think $40 a month. I knew most of it but what I didn’t know really helped me a lot.
I’m a long way from offering a membership site myself, I’ve got a lot of sites I’m trying to get to.
BTW, there is a disclaimer on here that a lot of what I say is opinion and opinion can always be wrong, misinterpreted, or the reader can be mistaken.
I don’t claim to be 100% correct, I claim to tell it as I see it and we all see it a little different.
I do have a lot of experience regarding the Philippines and I also still have a lot to learn and a lot of places and things to witness myself.
i meant to say a hacker got on your site just above webmaster and placed a malisious site sorry brett
No hacker did that. I did it.
You can’t really rely on reports from most virus protection companies about websites. However, I did a search for that company and scam on Google and there are quite a few reports of them taking the money and running.
So I got rid of it just to be on the safe side. Lot of people are very happy with them too. It is really hard to know what the truth is.
If you’re on the web, your competition might be behind such attacks.
There is all kinds of things being said about me. There is even a rustyferugson scam site. I forgot the url, don’t care.
ya dido cool dude /////// oh and does your website teaching web building address the pros and cons of vpn security service ???? im trying to figure if there is a down side and exactly what the up side is thks Brett
pros are fully explained. It lets you connect to pages you can’t connect to in the Philippines. It can also hide your activities from your ISP but I have no need for hat and don’t fully believe it. Anything can be traced.
Con’s is that it cost money, use a bad company and they could grab your passwords. That is why there are so many open proxies that do the same thing. You should just email them you’re passwords if you use those. They SHOULD be a little slower as it ads another connection and usually encryption. The encryption also increases online security which is a pro.
No, I don’t go into VPN on the Online Marketing site, it really isn’t related though some use them to change their IP for spamming which is probably why Microtrends didn’t like that site. I don’t know though. I saw some complaints about them failing to deliver the product and I had a VPN company do that to me once. That’s why I pulled the link to their site. Most Internet security sites have a horrible reputation for incorrectly marking a site as dangerous, I would totally discount that unless it came from Google or Eset.
I use my VPN to watch American TV online basically but I never have time any more. Jessie uses it the most.
Hi everyone,
Adding my two centavos.
I live in Davao City. I am retired military and do IT security analyst contracting work in various locations around the globe. I have lived in Davao for about a year now and plan to stay.
My observations are first hand in Davao City (and Manila).
SM (appliance store, grocery store) takes US credit cards. Datablitz (video games-Im a junky) takes US based credit cards. Airports and Travel agents take US based credit cards.
I have found that you can get a subsantial discount from using cash direct. I purchased a very expensive TV (it’s 3d!) and got 10k pesos off by using cash rather than card.
Okay Brian, thanks. Perhaps when Jessie asked for me in Cebu SM there was a miscommunication or it changed. I almost wish I didn’t know this.
It would have been nice to be able to use a credit card the first couple of months I was here.
Glad to have you here.
Brian im a inventor and need security what vpn security sestem do you recomend ?????? thks Brett
The one that I wrote about here: http://cebuexperience.com/living-in-the-philippines/how-to-view-blocked-content-philippines/
More centavos!
My girlfriend pointed out that Ace Hardware, Mercury drugs and convienence stores take US credit cards. Cash is still king, though.
Yes, cash is still the way in the Philippines.
Mercury taking credit cards could be helpful with the cash flow for those that need to file insurance on the more expensive meds. Generics are usually much cheaper in the Philippines but brand names are very close to the same price as they are in the USA.