I observe visitors and expats within the Philippines that complain about the age of the mates of other visitors and expats. It fits in with a topic of interest to me. That topic is those that complain about the Philippines.
I want to start off with a simple observation. It really is okay to like something. I think people are afraid to like something. Or better stated, they are afraid to admit they like something. This has been an early and ongoing observation upon hanging out with some expats in Cebu City.
All the complaining makes me anxious. I began to wonder why it is so common for people to visit the Philippines often or stay a long time and constantly complain about the country. I’m not the only one that makes this observation. I have seen others blog about this subject.
One of the complaints that some in this group have is the age of men relative to the woman or women in their
life. Typically, they condemn others in the group for having a girlfriend twenty or more years younger than them.
Nobody’s Business but Your Own
If the couple is happy I don’t understand why someone else might think they know what is best for them. It could be the couple just makes each other laugh. Perhaps he admires her and she him. Maybe they like who the person is. Maybe the couple just makes each other happy. Shouldn’t that be enough? No? Then maybe “You Just Wanna Be God.”
Some guys do come looking for a mate. It was part of my reason for coming but I saw that mostly as a bonus. I really didn’t expect it to happen. Many others come for a fling. They come for the bikini bars. If that’s what you’re into, fine by me. I’d love to visit AC and find out what it is like there. I’d go to the bikini bars but I wouldn’t take a girl home. Who am I to try to tell someone else what is right for them. I’m not. If you are one that does think it is proper, tell me, what makes you qualified to do that?
Let’s get one thing out of the way right now. Jessie is 20 years and two days younger than me. So do I have a personal problem with the nature of the complaints? No, I just don’t understand them. Quite frankly, I’m quite use to living my life the way I choose to and I could care less what you think of it. The only thing that matters to me is if I like my life. I have a news flash for you. You are not living my life.
If you don’t like that I’m 20 years older than her then you’ll hate this even more. Should something happen to end our relationship my next mate would probably be around 25 and that would be even if I’m 70. Of course, that depends on my options.
Why Do You Care?
My real interest is in those that feel they need to make the complaint in the first place and those that feel the need to defend it. I would like to be able to influence both groups but I have no delusions that I can do much of that. The most I can hope for is to get you to think about it. My question to you is this, why do you care? Either way, if you’re the target of someone else’s complaint let them complain. If you’re a complainer, why on earth do you care?
If you’re the one complaining about guys with younger girls, please tell me why it matters to you. Do you think it is wrong? Why do think it is wrong? If both people in the relationship are happy and in my observation is that most are, what is wrong with it? Someone else told you it was wrong? Based on what theory? It goes back to a question that I have been asking since I was thirteen years old. “Why can’t a boy be named Alice?”
Are you applying Western culture to the Philippines? That’s foolish. I haven’t met a lot of 25 year old women in the USA that I have a lot in common with. They look dang good and I suspect they are nice to hold in ones arms but I forgot a long time ago. Haha I don’t usually find American women in that age group that I have a lot to talk about with. There are of course exceptions to that. For the most part though, there is not a lot of common interest. So I can understand that could make things in such a relationship grow boring quickly. But if that twenty five year old woman is deep in thought, into photography, likes to travel, prefers rock and the blues over pop music or interested in Internet marketing then we would have a lot in common.
You’ll see many visitors and expats talk about the maturity of women in the Philippines. Most make the same observation I do. Women of the Philippines tend to possess a higher maturity level at a younger age than those in the west. If you’re making your judgment based on that, I think you’re just ill informed.
Now if you’re just envious, then I’m not going to spend a lot of time dwelling upon that. I even find it amusing. If you feel you need to condemn others for what you wish you had then you need to take a serious look at yourself. I have only one thing to say to you really. It is okay to admit you like something even if you don’t have it.
Are you younger yourself? Did you come to the Philippines and meet a girl when you were in your 20’s and 30’s? Then fall in love and live happily ever after? Now you’re 50 and you’re wife is 48. I wish I had had such a life. I got married at 21 and like many choices at 21 it turned out very badly after seventeen years of being with her, “she met another and poof she was gone.”
If you’re judging others because of how you see things from your world then I don’t think you are making a very good observation. One of my favorite things to say is “Please don’t try to live my life through your eyes.” It is common for us humans to do that. In the individualistic society found in the USA, I think it is more common.
The culture of the Philippines plays a role in this wider age difference that is more common here. Many Filipino also look for a younger woman. If their spouse dies, it is not uncommon for a Filipino to find a woman much younger than himself to marry.
Much of what drives us in mate selection is deep in our genes. I find it pretty interesting that men all over the world tend to like the same body shape in women. This doesn’t relate to size of the woman but proportionality. It relates directly to the hour glass shape. Further more, there have been studies done that strongly suggest that women with this shape tend to be more fertile. Thus, men that pick mates with that shape are more likely to pass their genes on to their offspring who will likely have many of the same traits as their parents. So men will most likely pick the same shape as their fathers did. So there will be more men picking that shape over time. Since these women tend to be more fertile these men are producing more offspring.
One final point in all of this, is your wife or significant other older or younger than you? Most of you will be a little older than your mate by at least a year or two? I wonder if this will change more over time. Women have become more authoritative The experts say women tend to model their mates after their father. My point is that it many times women look for more mature men. In the Philippines I find this to be very common but it gets magnified here. I just don’t think it is a good idea to apply Western culture when making observations about others.
My last point is a simple one. It can be stated in two words. “So What?” I really don’t understand why people care. I just cannot think that way and personally, I’m very happy I don’t think that way. Why do you even care? I’ll follow that up with suggesting you think about whether you should care or not. I’m not going to give you that answer. If you think you are in a position to tell others how to live, have at it.
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you dirty old man LOL my filipina wife is 20 years younger than me also but hell I have been happier for last 3 years than I have ever been I would take that as a reflection of the white girls that let themselves go see their marriage a equity in what the man has.
HaHa Mike, well someone started fussing about others fussing about his younger wife the other day. i started to write a long comment but decided to write a post. Then I took a course on doing video online and that took two days for me to get halfway decent. Things wouldn't break so much if i'd stop trying to make them better.
I'm glad things are going well with your wife. Did you take her back to the states or are you still here?
Please…I have that beat. My pinay wife is 26 and I am 62. 36 Years difference. SHE picked me….and sure I fell in love with this beautiful caring, God loving, creature. Her parents approved and gave their blessing to our relationship and mariage. We have known eachother for 2 years and we couldnt be happier. I never knew a woman could kove me that much.I am from the USA and womn here dont understand what love is about. The philippine cultue is not unlike the rest of Asia but so different in values from the western world. In Latin America is is not unusual to marry at 15 years old….is that wrong too? It is not for me to judge but to be judged…but NOT by you.We will live in Cebu. See you there!
Hello, when I first visited the Philippines I thought to myself that I reall didnt want a woman too much younger than I. Well guys I fell in love with a woman 28 years younger than I. She is the sweetest person I've every met. We are engaged and will be married this coming winter. I do have plans to bring her to the USA but only to visit for I am planning to make the Philippines my home.
we are here in the united states going back to philippines in may for a visit i brought her here the visa process wasnt to hard. In 33 months hope to be living in puerto galera full time thats when life we really start to be good
Maurice Healy Hi Maurice. Unless she's got land and money she probably wont be allowed to visit the USA. Even with those two it is iffy. Now you could take your wife back as a resident but trying to take her in on a tourist visa is very difficult. I'd love to take Jessie but she doesn't even want to go. I'd probably have to tie her up. I could get her in and she MIGHT get in because she has children. Most Filipina brides are turned down if they try to get in on a tourist visa. She looks darn cute and very tiny. Glad you found the right girl for you!
Mike Carpenter not hard to get a resident visa. it is very hard to get a tourist visa into the USA for Filipino. Unless the INS is convinced they will not stay on a tourist visa, they will not let them in. It takes a while but that's generally the worst of it. Did you get her in on a tourist visa? It does happen but usually not.
Glad it is going well for you.
yeah know about the tourist visa never tried that we just did the fiancee visa then got her a green card after she was here
Maurice Healy ,,well okey then,,i wuldnt go that far younger,,but how can ye resist they're sweetnest,, hehehehe
mine is 9yrs younger,,
Mike Carpenter It has always struck me as a little odd that if your wife tries to just visit the USA, well then,"We can't have that." But now if you just say I wont to move to the USA and go the resident visa route then our government says "Sure, come on over." haha
Hector Artemis Entreri hey Hecktor, if you couldn't then, you know, I don't think anyone would fault you for that. So why fault someone that can. As for resisting their sweetness, why would anyone want too? haha
Hey folks, I did something a little different this time. I included a video presentation with me talking on it. Come here my southern accent haha I talk pretty casual because I'm a pretty casual person really. I need to polish up on my video skills but not bad for a first try. Audio, man that needs work. I had to do it over four times. The first time, all you could hear was the air con. I have to turn the window unit and the fan off to do a voice recording. Yall come see.
Jhoanna is 20 years my junior…she happens to be 3 days younger than my eldest son….lol. We have a wonderful marriage and I am thankful every moment of my life for having met her. I was looking for an older filipina between the ages of 40 and 45 when I met her, so it wasnt like I was out trying to find a young wife.
I had become friends with a lady from Zamboanga who was 10 years older than me. I met her on yahoo, and we became chat mates, and chatted for more than a year. She knew I was looking for a companion as this is what drew me to her. At the time I was not aware of her age. Once we became regular chat mates she told me how old she was and that she was not looking for a mate. She looked much younger than her age.
We would chat at least 3 times a week when I would get home from work, and it was always a pleasure to see her online waiting to visit with me, or one of her children who lived away from the Philippines. One evening she ask me if I was interested in meeting someone? I told her I hadn't thought about it for a while but sure I was game. When she told me how old Jhoanna was my first reaction and response was no I think there is too much of an age difference. She assured me this young lady was very mature for her age, and that she had been wanting to introduce me to her for the last 8 months of our friendship, but Jhoanna had no interest in meeting a foreigner much less get married and leave her country.
Jhoanna had been hired to be her laundry/garden worker. Preciosa is wealthy by Philippine standards and owns a security guard service, and two Shell gas stations. She would often tell Jhoanna to come and chat with me, but Jhoanna always refused. One night Preci told her she needed her to come and type up a form on her computer. Once Jho came into her office Preci left and there I was on the screen staring at this beautiful young lady who was embarrassed and shocked to say the least….lol.
We began chatting and broke the ice which led to many months of chatting every night for at least an hour. We decided we would like to meet one another and see if what we were feeling via webcam and conversation was mutual. I took 3 weeks off of work and flew to Manila then Zamboanga to meet her. This was the first time in my life I had ever flown or left the country to go overseas. My sons were in a panic….not because of her age…but because I was going to Zamboanga….lol. Honestly I never even checked online to see what life was like on MIndanao and particularly in Zamboanga.
When I arrived I was met by Preciosa and was taken to her compound to meet Jhoanna. I wasnt nervous but was slightly embarrassed not having shaved for 24 hours or had a shower yet. I was sweating profusely as I was trying to get adjusted to the humidity of the Philippines…..lol. Once there as I was getting my luggage out of her car, and the tiniest little woman with such loving eyes and big smile came running up to me and planted a big kiss on my lips to my surprise. (Almost crying now thinking about meeting her for the first time.) She said welcome Tatay! Tatay as most of you know means daddy or father….lol. The nickname has stuck….lol.
We are now in our 6th year of marriage and I have to say the age difference is no problem for us at all. At first it was different as I was not so sure as to how folks would react here in the states upon meeting us. At the port of entry in Minnesota where we landed on her first time here I was instructed by one of the officers to take my daughter and fall in line to the left…..Jhoanna laughed so hard as I stood there with steam coming out of my ears….lol. We still get a few looks from time to time as we are walking through a mall holding hands but I just smile. At a party recently my son invited us too one of his friends who did not know us except that I was Darrens dad ask if Jhoanna was his sister…..lol. My sons Darren and Matt are 1/4 filipino, but look full blood. Darren and Jhoanna always get a big laugh over that question which has happened a few times now.
I have learned to overlook the stupidity of those who feel Jhoanna was looking for a way out of the Philippines by marrying me. The fact is we both are looking forward to when we can move back and live fulltime in Ozamiz City where we have a home. Her motive never was to leave her country and have a better life by simply marrying a man for a pension….I don't have one…..lol. I don't judge the women who do this either. I completely understand why so many do after living there for a year. Most are doing it to help family members they leave behind such as parents or siblings who are in school. They sacrifice living with family in their homeland so they can in turn help them.
It has to take a strong woman to do something like that, and I can admire them for that.
Anyway it just comes down to this…..don't judge us until you know us.
Thanks for allowing me to share here my thoughts and my experience.
Kevin
Yeah, I was going to slip into a restroom and put on a tie for when I met Jessie A. Ferguson but after all that time on the plane, walking around hot air ports, finding my phone wouldn't work right away, I was pretty much gone by the time I got to Jessie. That's one long flight. I slept through most of it so i was lucky. i don't think I ever slept on a plane before. I slept from Los Angels until about to land in Guam. Probably snoring too. haha Glad you're happy Kevin.
I've never been a conformist. Always a rebel, a bit odd I suppose. Doesn't seem odd to me though. Something happened about 45 though. I hit my teenage rebellion years late. Is that the middle age crises? If so, It think I reacted a little different in a way. I just was totally fed up with doing anything that others expected of me.
I don't think I ever came out of it……
I can only wish you the best. I was extremly lucky to find one of my age that is extemly beautiful, highly educated and she makes me feel like I’m the King of the World!
I find that no matter how you say that age does not matter, I feel that it does (from past experience, I desired a person that I can relate to as a peer and that does make a really big difference.
Agin I wish you the best of luck and many years of happiness together.
John
It think it is clear I could care less when it comes to me. But I do wonder why people care. Jessie and I are not that far apart. You see a lot of 70 year olds with women in their 20s. Sometimes it looks a bit odd but that’s only because we are not use to seeing it. I just don’t understand why people care. I understand the envy side of it but sometimes that’s not it.
Comes down to personal choice.
Why is it they mention the older foreign men, you see just many older Filipino men with younger filipinas as you do foreigners.
David Harris, it is not just a Philippine thing. It is a world wide thing. I see more older Filippino men with younger FIlipinas more often then foreigners.
Here Here writer I concur with you all the way just love your story. I am from Gold Coast in Queensland Australia and am married to a HOT SEXT BEAUTIFUL CARING and PERECT Filipina wife for all of 6 years I am 45 she is 27. You know what the issue is that the Western World are just so damed jeolous of what us Westerners have in a PERFECT FEMALE HUMAN PARTNER (PFMP) who would want to consider a Westerner Wife when you are with a PFMP the perfect partner is life….. to me that's all that counts and the rest including others opinions is not important after all we have the last laugh
I wont even dismiss all Western women. I wouldn't have much of a chance with most though, over 50, can't work, poor health, not rich, and over weight. That's one bad combination to enter the dating market in the west.
My wife is 4 years younger than I am. I personally found I got along more comfortably and had more in common with women close to my age than with a younger girl. That's just my experience though. We know several families in the metro area here where the wives are around 20 years younger than the men and you know what? They have respect and love for each other and happiness in their household. I think it's a western cultural thing that you're a 'dirty old man' if you go after younger women but I say WHO CARES? If both people are happy and love & respect one another then it's all good.
well the girl I'm to marry( PH no.2) is 37 and am 62 she choise me after wating 36 yrs 4 the right b/f. Now I have papers I-129-F filied out and sent in Dec. So now we wait. oh R 1st child will be here july.Don't know if that speeds anythiing up but R new family. I was married 25 yr 2 an amercan. So I did all I could do 2 make it work. Am happy w/her she happy w/me and she don't look like a model. but has a pure heart. GB
congrats amigo!
My Filipino wife is 16 years younger than me. I didn't chose her because of her age. I fell in love with the woman she is. There were two ladies, both 24 years my junior who were interested in me before I met my future wife. I just didn't connect with the them the way I do my wife. Age has nothing to do with love. There are many people who prejudge others and act sanctimonious about it.
Well said Mr.Skidmore!
Yes Jon they defiantly do that I'm really trying to figure out why. Sometimes it doesn't seem tho have anything to do with envy. One of the most outspoken people I know on this subject is a Filipina that has twice married older men and left the country herself.
There’s an expression in the Philippines and I think it says it all…”Old carabao eats young grass”.
Age, race, religion are all way we tend to judge and evaluate others.
Love and caring…those things that happen within the heart, do not allow for those evaluations or judgement.
When you love someone, when you find someone, who makes you happy, gives meaning to your life..brings joy to your days. You do not have time to worry about those judging and evaluating things of the mind. Your heart takes over and leads you to your happiness.
Rusty, The foul attitude of western women against women is is an interesting thing. Not only are they jealous of a man with a younger woman, many are jealous of what another woman wears or drives or what they perceive the other owns that they do not. I cannot count the times i have had older white women walk up to my girl and i and given us the ugly stink eye. This envious ugly attitude is the main reason i went outside the culture. I have watched this since i was a child and i have always thought it was nasty and disgusting.Now i have learned to stare back at them or in cases where they say something i tell them..yes we are going home and we are going to boom boom all night. If that person thinks their opinion has value they should hear the thoughts of their husbands.My work takes me into their homes and i have heard and seen everything.Men with nasty wives avoid them like the plague. They golf, work outside or find other things to do to get away from them.Many of those men tell me they wish they could get away from them. What a way to live…So if two people find each other in this maze of a world, who love each other and have tender happy lives…hurray! To the others i can only say….shame on you and on all of your kind.Elvis has left the building and the men with sacks have found you to be less than palatable.
Found this article today..thought it was very relevant..
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/04/12/nasty-comments-toward-ann-romney-cast-light-on-haters-who-cant-handle-feminine/
You catch me in a bad mood and that stink eye could wish they hadn’t done that.
I use to get a lot of stares when I parked in a handicapped parking space. One day I told this hottie that was doing that “Sorry, not interested.” haha I did a version of that several times.
I had that happen in the USA and my wife was only 10 years younger than I. She looked younger though she even got carded at one bar we went too. When she’d see someone doing that she’d hang all over me. At least in the beginning, later I couldn’t seem to get her that close. haha
I’m fine with American women over all. I have noticed that people that come to the Philippines because they don’t like the USA end up not liking the Philippines as well. I think the USA is fantastic. I have more appreciation for it than ever. But for my position in life, the Philippines has much more to offer me.
I want to know the lady in pink on this page. Jealousy is key in others hating others mindset.
I think there were two of them? I'm a bit color blinded. I do know the first one in the video. I ran across her in a park and she said "I love you." haha
I realy like this thng yes got goin on here,, it realy nice t knw thngs yes dnt,, an learn more of what thngs ar like,, as for th critics,, they may b sad caus they not good enough for them,, i met many n th us , an they really ar better peopl than of most other countries,, as far as I'v met,, but evry countries hav they're bad peopl,, thnks for for all yes post bud,, lookin forward n joining th philippines fofr th rest of m life if other issues dnt work out,,
i love watching thngs bout th philippines,,news,programs,,bout anythng that has somethng t do with th country
Hello Rusty,
I love what you wrote here. I agree with you 1,000 percent. People complain or don’t like the idea if a man is a lot older than a woman who is so young. I don’t care what people think. It is none of their business. People are wasting their life energy and gossip. If a man and woman like each other regardless of age, then great. It is all about caring and loving each other. I remember about 22 years ago, I saw an ad about Paradise Shelton and he sent me an envelope. There was no internet back then. So I want to know more, I bought his VCR tape and a book called ” Do not marry an American woman” I still have that book today. It was about American women will never make men happy and all American women want is material things. Buy them this or that to make your American women happy. If you don’t buy big things for a long time, then things change and they leave to find a richer American men. It is a fact. Love don’t last long. Money is important to them than love. American women are spoiled. Life is too expensive in America. I agree with Paradise Shelton’s book. He has a very young wife and he is many years older than his wife. So I’m ready for a change. I’m getting tired of working on a job for many years. My number one reason to go to Philippines, is the price of travel is cheap and I want to travel to see the world. Living cheaper there warm all year round. Get out of winter. I can’t live in USA anymore, because everything is high dollars. So sooner or later, I will retire to Philippines. My number two reason is to meet young women who will make me feel like a King. Filipino women know how to love American men than money. They were raise to please American men and take care of men. They make men happy. So I will make my dream come true to go to Philippines one day soon. A better paradise to live in warm all year round and a lot cheaper to live there, too.
Hi Richie, thanks for the kind words.
There are a lot of guys that feel the way you do. I don’t really have any issues with American women either. I think I’m just girl crazy.
But i have heard this many times and I can understand why. I’m nto even saying you’re wrong. I know of many cases where women leave a guy that was rich but now is broke.
American men though, we are pretty spoiled too.
Kumusta Rusty, All I can say is Salamat po for your article. I have written you a few times over the past years but last year I finally came and stayed and married a wonderful girl from Iloilo. I don’t even associate with the expats here because they all act like God and pass judgement and start chizmis just for something to do. Thank you again for this because this is my complaint. The American men is the only complaint I have living here.
Hi Alan, a lot of folks that follow my blog do actually show up. That’s not the normal way things go though from what I can tell.
I’m glad you found someone. A lot of expats do just what you say. Not all. Most of us realize pretty fast we are not as special and unique as we thought we were when we first got here. haha
I really wish they’d just stop moaning about every little thing. I think I’ll get t-shirt made with “Hey Joe! It really is okay to like something”
We had a couple of folks tell us this was horrible, "subjecting the young women of the Philippines" Not one person told me why it should matter to them. We had one nut case brag about "dating" 17 year olds. But no one can tell me why it should matter. I certainly see a lot of people complain about it. Next time someone does, I'll ask them why they care and why should I? Now, what do I write about next…. Gotta stop mumbling. I HATE about myself.
Those are the "holier than thou" idiots with IQ's no bigger than their neck sizes – like you said why should it matter to them? As far as this 53-year-old "dirty old man" is concerned, just enjoying my 22-year-old fiancee – kiss my Filipino-American butt hahaha! Four babies she wants – what a nice problem sheesh!
Why do some people see it as a problem when a westerner marries a much younger filipina but that happens between filipinos themselves and has been that way for a couple of hundred years
I'm still trying to figure out what the hell age has to do with ANYTHING?? The people who don't like it, can take their thoughts on the subject somewhere else….
AHH VERY GREAT ARTICLE !
Her days are numbered for the Canadian gov has contacted me and will likely remove her from Canada for a min period of 5 years before she could reapply to come here again.
Thanks Rusty for bringing up this subject.
BUT not all Filippa can be perfect as I can attest to. I had the unfortunate pleasure of marring a very very good gold digger. After 3 years of courting her I married her there in the Philippines with her family’s blessing. We were only 20 years apart but seemed like the perfect relationship and romance at the time. Right after we were married i flew back to Canada and started to process the papers so she could come to Canada under the spousal visa. Over the next months while the papers were processing…… i had many friends here that are from the Philippians and started my wife and them chatting so she would get a better idea from them what to expect when she would arrive here later on. So it would be much smother transition for her. Before her papers were done i got a nasty email from one of the philippinos that said she was no good for me and some other stuff but i thought it was just a jealously thing as that is very common there and blocked her out.
After she arrived here almost 15 months later due to some complications with the papers. For my daughter was born over there and i needed a emergency Canadian passport for her. My wife was all a sudden more distant person the first day she stepped off the plain but i chalked it up to the flight and thought all would smooth out in time and not push her. Once we were home we did the full family thing and all seemed fine till she started making plans year and half later to return to the philippines to see her sick grand father who has a failing heart and wanted to be with him one last time. During those months she was much more distant and i thought it was some home sickness etc.
Then a good chat friend of mine in near by city i had not communicated for long time. But forgot i had given my wife there id and they were still communicating VERY MUCH. She had to confess to me my wife had a 3 year plan on me to divorce me later on and take my daughter from me. She sent me all there emails and chats after she had a long talk with her husband and they both agreed i had to know the full truth of the woman i had married.
I was totally lost for few days after reading conversations that were planed on me over a 2 years back and knew this could not be made up as it was in my wife’s own language and her writing style.
I got out my credit card and bought a full key logger program 75$ and had it installed on her laptop she uses all the time and had it send me all the screen shots and her chats to a new email address i only knew.
The first day it was running confirmed my suspicion it was all 100% true. and over the next three months i gatherd over 2gigs of chats and recorded conversation including jpeg shots of both my wifes and her (boyfriends)-(10) cams.
Ouch it hurt much in that time but i did my home work and contacted a lawyer who give me the rules of what i could and could not do to her.
once she returned to the philippines i had my chance to turn the tables on this WITCH as we both had joint accounts in the bank etc i cleaned her out and canceled her plane ticket back here as to gain time on my end to have the divorce agreement here wrote up and then fly there and have it signed in front of a gov lawyer in Makkati.
It all worked out well as much as i can say for a divorce i never wanted in my life. I did get full custody of my daughter that now resides with me and my ex is out pillaging another here in Canada for several hundred thou. But sad to say
Thank God there is still great people out there including the lady that give me the chats that gave me the heads up before i was made a fool of……..
But i still have not given up in true love. As i was the rare exception to find a gold digger and now know what to watch out for.
Now my life is full again with my daughter at my side and i an now dating another Philippa that i know will give ALL her heart truly in this relationship now.
Good luck to all of you out there but be careful some are willing out there to give there body and not there heart to do anything to get out of there lives there.
The sad thing is i have a sister in law in the phils who is very sweet and has yet to find a man worth a dime who will marry her.She is the kindest, hardest working working person i know…32 years old. She probably will not find the right guy as she is shy and still a virgin.In her part of the world a decent woman saves herself for her future husband…
I’ve met several women in that situation. They have chances but they just can’t take it. I wonder if some of the rigid expectations have not wounded them. I don’t know. Some people are really just asexual.
did u marry one… how old is your wife?
I used to think it was creepy too. After seeing many couples with huge age differences enjoying a better life than either of them could ever have hoped for, it doesn't bother me so much. Happiness is the test of any relationship. My wife is 13 years younger. When I was looking, I wanted someone older. Took her a long time to change my mind.
Ding Dugay Aww, I don't think it is really a low IQ thing. There are a lot of folks that are happy to tell you how you should live. I think many of these people are narcissistic. Would take a doctor to say they have a full fledged personality disorder. They are most likely Republican, though they will say they are independent. Doesn't really speak to the party though, I'm not saying that. These people tend to be a traditional conservative. For me, true conservatism means you're all for people doing what they want to do as long as it isn't harming someone else, respect the right of others then you should be allowed to do it by a true conservative. Awww I don't want to get in this war. haha They are usually not use to being challenged. In their mind the reason it is a bad thing is obvious. However, they can't share the obvious. They can't tell you what the obvious is.
I think there is one valid concern. If you're 60 an she's 22, you could be dead when she is 45. That's still pretty young but if she's had four babies the figure is likely gone.
It wont be able for her to replace you but hopefully she'll be taken care of financially. Her emotional needs though could suffer a great deal. Does that make the situation wrong. Not in my mind but it is a valid concern. A concern for a 22 year old Filipina living in poverty or near poverty with no way to fight out of that would be hard for her to withdraw from a relationship when things are so bad for her now.
Women and men have been choosing mates for a better life for a long time. Women for a hunter and provider and men well I'll let you decide what motivates men the most. haha For most of us I think that really is love but we tend to express it sexual ways.
I do have a serious issue with the hypocrisy I see in the sold called conservative group. Nothing I can do about it but express my opinion. It is an opinion that want be adopted but that is okay.
Mike Parks I agree with you Mike, it won't be changing how i live my life. I'd like to get people to think about it though. I just have no delusions about being able to make the obvious sink into anyone's head.
Bernedette Venus Hendricks read the article. Answer is there.
its true that you see allot of filipino males with younger filipinas. woman in the philippines generally dont go for looks, if that was the case then you wouldnt see all these foreigners with young filipinas. they look for guys to take care of them finacially. most of this girls are not educated and dont come from good families, so lets not get thing confuse and think that this girls with foreigners are with them because they have common interest and they are physically attracted to their partner. how many of you think if this girls had good career and were financially stable that they would be in with an older male; filipino/foreigner.In a way this girls are being exploited by poverty the same way the girls in the bars are
You know Che, I can’t honestly disagree with you. One is far more accepted in society though. Girls that work in bars USUALLY though a lot of steps so their families either don’t know or the people the family knows don’t know. I think most of the time the family knows but they don’t talk about it. And some girls do it right in their hometowns but that’s pretty rare.
I don’t think MOST bar girls really like their work and most Filipina with an older mate wouldn’t call it work and they like ti just fine if the guy is a decent guy. I’ve certainly watched some Filipina send their life head into major hardship for picking the wrong guy. And most of the time that is with another Filipino that is their own age. No, I’m not saying it is always like that. Being well off is not as important as being with a mate that really treats you well. One can endure a lot of hardship when they have love. When you don’t have love, there isn’t much that can make you happy.
I don’t think the girls in the bar are finding that most of the time. Though many dream of finding a guy to take them out of it and some find it.
Hi! Criss. Yes I agree that many off the young girls that are with much older men would maybe not be with them if they were educated had a job, or come from a good family. But the fact remains that the poverty here is a leading factor in young and old forming a relation ship, which in spite of the dirty old men brigade, works and they are happy with each other and give each other what the other needs.
Now I don’t think that love has anything to with sex. Sex is obtainable almost anywhere. Love is an emotion that I think grows in time. With trust, respect, affection, compatibility and understanding one’s need for each other. And many other factors that make two people full in love.
Me I am married to a Pilipino women; she is not a girl anymore at the age off 31. I spent four years here in the Philippines looking for a companion, (not seventeen years old or for sex only) as many seem to think here. In my search I got ript off three or four times and had many disappointments. Then out off the blue I met my Analou.
She had had a hard life both parent dying at an early age when she was just three years old. She had a good job, was intelligent. A very clean person. After a short time she came to live with me, that was four years ago. Since then we have our ups and downs, I have learnt to trust her, respect her, we are now a team we help each other in many ways. Yes there is a big age gap, so what. I love her to bits and I know she loves me. Anything else does not matter. Yes I will die long before her, but I will make sure she does not ever again live in poverty and feel lonely. I been so happy with her and giggled with her many times like a ten year old.
We both found what we wanted, so you guys don’t worry what stupid people say about the age gap. There are lots off wonderful women here in the Philippines looking for not just security but maybe a little love in their lives that money cant buy,
lester says:
April 12, 2012 at 2:34 pm.
AHH VERY GREAT ARTICLE!
Her days are numbered for the Canadian gov has contacted me and will likely remove her from Canada for a min period of 5 years before she could reapply to come here again.
Thanks Rusty for bringing up this subject.
BUT not all Filippa can be a perfect wife as I can attest to. I had the unfortunate pleasure of marring a very very good gold digger. After 3 years of courting her I married her there in the Philippines with her family’s blessing. We were only 20 years apart but seemed like the perfect relationship and romance at the time. Right after we were married I flew back to Canada and started to process the papers so she could come to Canada under the spousal visa. Over the next months while the papers were processing…… I had many friends here that are from the Philippians and started my wife and them chatting so she would get a better idea from them what to expect when she would arrive here later on. So it would be much smother transition for her. Before her papers were done I got a nasty email from one of the philippinos that said she was no good for me and some other stuff but I thought it was just a jealously thing as that is very common there and blocked her out.
After she arrived here almost 15 months later due to some complications with the papers. For my daughter was born over there and I needed a emergency Canadian passport for her. My wife was all a sudden more distant person the first day she stepped off the plain but I chalked it up to the flight and thought all would smooth out in time and not push her. Once we were home we did the full family thing and all seemed fine till she started making plans year and half later to return to the philippines to see her sick grand father who has a failing heart and wanted to be with him one last time. During those months she was much more distant and I thought it was some home sickness etc.
Then a good chat friend of mine in near by city I had not communicated for long time. But forgot I had given my wife there id and they were still communicating VERY MUCH. She had to confess to me my wife had a 3 year plan on me to divorce me later on and take my daughter from me. She sent me all there emails and chats after she had a long talk with her husband and they both agreed I had to know the full truth of the woman I had married.
I was totally lost for few days after reading conversations that were planed on me over a 2 years back and knew this could not be made up as it was in my wife’s own language and her writing style.
I got out my credit card and bought a full key logger program 75$ and had it installed on her laptop she uses all the time and had it send me all the screen shots and her chats to a new email address I only knew.
The first day it was running confirmed my suspicion it was all 100% true. and over the next three months I gathered over 2gigs of chats and recorded conversation including j peg shots of both my wife and her (boyfriends)-(10) cams.
Ouch it hurt much in that time…… but I did my home work and contacted a lawyer who give me the rules of what I could and could not do to her.
once she returned to the philippines I had my chance to turn the tables on this WITCH as we both had joint accounts in the bank etc I cleaned her out and canceled her plane ticket back here as to gain time on my end to have the divorce agreement here wrote up and then fly there and have it signed in front of a gov lawyer in Makkati.
It all worked out well as much as I can say for a divorce that I never wanted in my life. I truly believe that a marriage is holy. I did get full custody of my daughter that now resides with me and my ex is out pillaging another here in Canada for several hundred thou. But sad to say
Thank God there is still great people out there including the Philippine lady that give me the chats that gave me the heads up before I was made a fool of……..
But I still have not given up in true love. As I was the rare exception to find a gold digger and now know what to watch out for.
Now my life is full again with my daughter at my side and I an now dating another Philippa that I know will give ALL her heart truly in this relationship now.
GOOD LUCK & GOD BLESS all of you out there. But be careful some are willing out there to give there body and not there heart to do anything to get out of there lives there.
Hi Les, I'm sorry things went so badly for you. Some of these girls are really good at what they do.
Filipina gold diggers on the net are not rare at all. I talked with hundreds of them before I came here. I've known expats that have their girls get online to take the money from foreigners. You see, most never come here. That's what the true scammers are counting on. Most of the time, the girl herself has just stopped believing the guy will ever come. She's heard it all before. Then when the guy does show, she gets cold feet and she doesn't show.
That's why I strongly recommend that one does not make any commitments over the net and that they move very slowly in person.
I think that looking for love is probably the worst thing to do. I think one should look for friends and let it develop from there.
Hopefully things will go better for you next time. There are great women here. Very loving.
Living in The Philippines. The Cebu Experience
Yes so true take your time and move slowly for if it true love it will wait for you when the time is right
Hi!! Rusty. When I first came to live in the Philippines. I to did not like many things here and to be honest complained as others did. One reason was I did not understand the culture here or attitudes, I was at the time, shall we say feeling little superior. Why. God only knows. But I changed and now fit myself into the life here and grew to understand the way of life here. And learnt through understanding not to complain.
(As it does not really get me anywhere)
Funny thing though, I taught my wife how to drive and she is a good driver now, but you should hear her complain about other drivers. Now it’s the reverse I am telling her to stop complaining. Ha ha!!
I like reading other’s views on you forum and sometimes feel like you do, to add a comment . I wish you well
Terry
Sounds like your in my head Terry. I’d say I followed that same path.
The key is learning the culture. Once we begin to understand that, we begin to see the people in an entirely new way.
There is also a lot of folks claiming to live here that really don’t. Some of them know a great deal about the Philippines. Still, there are massive weaknesses in their understanding that do come burning through. Some can’t see outside of their own mind and they never stop complaining.
My Filipina wife is 19-years and 5-months younger than me. I don’t have any problem with the age difference, although, there are some people who do. But that is to be expected from jealous, judgmental people. It’s our life, and what others think about us doesn’t matter anyway. My life now is on track, and I’m the happiest I have ever been in my entire life.
Yeah Ben, sometimes they really are not jealous. They just think it is wrong. If you try to get them to tell you why it is wrong, they won’t be able too. They will say it is “obvious” but they can’t tell me what is obvious.
That’s who I’m speaking too. I don’t think they’ll mend their ways because of what I say though. But if you can get someone to think about it. They might have an awakening moment down the road that is their own idea. Most of us need multiple suggestions to adopt something. That’s one reason teachers repeat things over and over again.
Brands have Trademarks and I need to get one.
Our brains store that away but it takes on average seeing it about five times before people gain familiarity and thus some trust with it.
i know sometimes I adopted ideas after first encounter many years before but over the years, after hearing it many version it finally sinks it.
I’m trying to be a bread crumb along the path to change. I’ll take a lot of abuse in the process.
I’ll be heading to the Philippines in May to marry my soul mate. I’ll be there for 3 months and have to return to Canada. I will retire in September and move to Butuan City to be with my wife.
I am 60 and she is 29.
I have visited her, met her large family and had a wonderful time there for 3 weeks this February. We talk on the phone twice a day and video chat at least once a day.
We get along so much better than anyone I’ve gone out with here in Canada.
I don’t care what people think about our age difference and neither does she. I asked her about it early on in our relationship and she made it clear that it does not matter so the subject has never come up again.
We are both very much in love and have a lot of things in common.
hi John, I hope things will continue to go well for you. Sounds like they will.
No it doesn’t matter at all to Filipina. It just isn’t a big deal in this culture.
The only people that seem to care are Westerners and I won’t say what I think of that because it “ain’t” civil. haha
Well I have a different sitiuation. IAM 50 and my girlfriend is 56, but she looks 30
I think what irks some folks about older men and younger women is that they are jolly looking at what THEY would do, and not allowing others to live their life.
I have actually had several expats tell me that I am crazy for being with a 56 year old Pilipino, when there are so many younger ones around.
They forget that some of us follow our hearts and not our heads….
Yes that does happen to but it is rare.
Best to pick the girl you like the most. Besides that 25 year old is gonna get old too.
Your exactly right. Most people judge other people through their own eyes and that is fundamentally in error. And many of them don’t know what they’d do if they were in the same position. If they don’t have the choice to make in the first place I think the tendency is to just fault others. People seem more inclined to express a dislike for something that a like. That’s the part I’m trying to understand.
There is one thing I would like to point out to those men thinking about a relationship with young girls, so much younger than themselves, including myself, here in the Philippines
That is to remember that as you get older and more dependent on your young wife or girlfriend, so you will become more vulnerable and less able to control your own daily life style, and that control will move into your partners hands. This can mean not just your physical dependency, but you will, in all proberbility lose control over your financial affairs.
I think you should bear this in mind when you chose a much younger girl as a partner.
Chose wisely and sen’sibly. Think with your brains and not with what’s between your legs.
It is your not only your partner so much you have to worry about, but her family, who may and do sometimes put pressure on her for help financially. When a close family put pressure on her, it’s very hard for her not to sometimes give in to that pressure.
He is clearly correct about that.
I’m only 53 but I’m going on 83I’m afraid. I hope I’m wrong. Now that I have developed scleroderma and really cant seem to get proper treatment, I’ve lost a lot of control.
I can’t go shopping with Jessie, I’ve not been out of the house in a month. Walking to the bathroom is about all I can endure.
I want to get out and explore but it is even hard to hold a keyboard.
This stuff is really quite painful and makes my legs and feet swell which is also very painful. Heck I can’t even get an official diagnosis. I only got one from a MD that visits the website.
I know your still here Sarah.
I have my ways being the evil webmaster that I am. haha
I’m still very happy though somewhat discouraged. I can’t get out and take pictures or flirt with the pretty Filipina.
I’m taking prednisone again, stayed up almost 48 hours but got a LOT of work done.
Yes, I’ve lost a lot of control and more money is being spent because of it. Its just money tough, it really doesn’t matter that much. Though if I had more I could go go Manila and get the treatment I need there.
I’ll keep working my butt off. Things have dropped off pretty badly this month. They seem to be on the upswing again now though. I hope that continues.
Hi! Rusty
Sorry to hear your about health problems, But don’t give in, you have many friends. In a way its a good thing you have your Cebuexpereince to keep you busy, other wise you would go nuts. If I dont have something to keep me busy I would to , lucky for me even at my age I am okay. I wish you well and your family.
TERRY
Jealousy can get so bad, it will break up any relationship; sometimes it’s considered an illness.
Jealousy can take many forms. Elder sister to a younger. Mother of her very attractive daughter. Husband who gets a better job than his wife’s. Mother’s jealousy of son’s wife. Some times its gets an obsession. And some one will kill because of it. If you cannot stop this by therapy or counseling.
My advice for anyone who is with someone who makes your life a misery. Is to get the hell out of it.
People see things or imagine things in their jealousy that only they can see, and no matter what you say or indeed prove to them that there is no need for their jealousy, you will not change their minds.
But then don’t confuse Jealousy with someone who is protecting their territory. (Their man)
Because by losing their man they loss the financial support, security that man brings them, it has nothing to do with love. So in a sense the jealousy is a camouflage, hiding their true feelings regarding their man
I can understand that.
Remember, a person will tell you anything, if they are selling some you thing. Any bullshite, lies, tears in their eyes, tell you how honest they are. Give you promises they have no intention of keeping, Will tell you how handsome you are, how sexy, intelligent. Anything you want to hear, you will purr like a kitten and you will fall for it. And buy.
Many women are very good at it; they know what your weaknesses are and will manipulate you and give you the full treatment. Think before you leap into that bed of roses, it has thorns.
I moved here to Surigao City about 4 months ago and after a few different housing changes finally settled into a 1-year lease on a home designed “American Style” by a lady from the USA who married a Filipino, built a beautiful house, and then left the country after her husband cheated on her.
I’m 20 years older than my fiance and the main issue with us living together unmarried has been her family thinking I was only using her and would leave her soon. So it was a bit rough the first month living together, but now her family realizes I’m committed to her even if I cannot presently afford a big wedding.
I make all of my living online and not a lot, but enough to live a good life here. I spent too much money when I first arrived and moved around with her too much and totally exhausted my small savings I had when I came.
Fortunately, I secured an online service arrangement with a big USA company and am now starting to save money again, plus can help my girl’s mom some.
She and I have had our ups and downs already. We are both hard-headed and neither of us are the easiest people to get along with. lol. I also do not like the food here and so that is costing me more money to buy American food that is available.
All-together I think this was a good move for me and I love my girl, but sometimes I get angry about being seen as “a rich Kano” by the people here. I am not rich and their expectations and high-priced offers I find annoying and rude.
So my feelings about the Philippines after 4 months is this: I love it and I also hate it. lol.
But I’m sticking it out here because of my commitment to my fiance. I can’t say I would stay here long-term if I did not have her.
The only way to show the family that you’re for real is to prove it. It may be up to the girl too, to make it happen.
They know you can find someone else. I saw the same thing. Jessie’s brother told me a few months ago that he never thought I’d stay this long. He asked a lot about it and I’d only say it depends on Jessie. I know another side of Jessie that her family doesn’t. I suspect that is true in any relationship. Especially for a private person like Jessie.
You probably should think about working on caring what others think. You can’t change it. Easier said than done for me too.
If you try to maintain your American life style here, it is likely you’ll loose most of the benefits of the lower cost of living. I eat a lot more spam than I use too.
I hope things continue to go well for you. Stay in touch, I’m doing some Internet marketing too but not enough income for me to live on. I have a pension or I’d be in trouble. This month has not been good for me. Think I will have a loss. Embarking on some new things, spending some new money. Working myself to death. haha
Rusty,
A suggestion. There is a drug that is not approved for Lupus, but it is approved for several auto immune diseases. I don’t know your insurance situation, and it’s expensive.
Suggest you read about it. It is used in Crohn’s and Rheumatoid Arthritis, which are auto immune issues. There has been talk of exploring Remicade on Lupus. It is as best I know explicitly NOT presently a lupus drug, but the Philippines might be looser about such reqmts.
A bit of investigation might help you.
Thanks, I’ll take a look a it. My immune system seems to be in complete disarray right now. My options actually go up here. I may be able to get the medication without a prescription online. Many prescription drugs, most of them can be purchased here without a prescription. Looks like I’m developing easy bruising. now. I’ve never had that issue before. Well not since I was a kid and I don’t really know what it means. I just remember the doctor noting “no easy bruising” on each visit. On my way to look up that drug now.
One of those wish you luck moments. If a doc is asking that question of you, some drug you’re on has that in its side effect profile and he’s monitoring it.
You can get up to speed on the overall auto immune process yourself and in your situation maybe you need to do that. The system is attacking itself. Inflammation results and inflammation stimulates your system to respond even more vigorously, which is a bad thing.
Prednisone is a steroidal anti inflammatory drug and is the mainstay for Lupus. Lupus could be fatal before Pred and often was. Pred kept it from attacking the kidneys too aggressively, a favorite lupus target. But of course Pred has its own side effects. Docs will delay prescribing it as long as possible. Non steroidal anti inflammatories (NSAIDS) can also be used but you need to have a doc explain that because they can cause stomach issues. Aspirin is an NSAID. Overall the goal is to suppress the inflammation response to keep the overall auto attack of itself under control until the episode passes.
The disease is episodic so try to stay positive. It can disappear suddenly until the next episode.
And good luck. There should be docs in any locale who will know this well. The specialist you want is a Rheumatologist.
Yeah, I know about a rhumies. I’ve been dealing with a compromised immune system since the day I was born. We didn’t know it until I was 29. I’m 53 years old now so I went through the two years of fighting to not take prednisone a while back. I ws on quite heavy doses for a long time. Have not taken any in more than five years. Getting close to 10 years.
I’m not even sure now it is lupus. Many doctors were not but they knew I had some kind of auto immune disorder that was kicking my butt. One called it “horrible auto-immune disorder but its not lupus.” Others were certain it is. I’ve had symptoms of CREST since my early 20′s but no skin problems. I didn’t know what CREST was until about 3 years ago. When a scaly patch appeared on my finger. I was afraid it was scleroderma and I discovered CREST while researching that. The choking, gerd and esophagus spams were really the only symptoms I had of that until three years ago. Since then my frequent chest infections have returned and my hands and feet are covered in plastic like skin that tightens, cracks (which hurts) and then peels off.
The doctors in the city where I live wont even treat me. I need a three hour bus ride back to Cebu City to get that. The doctor I’ve been seeing isn’t getting the job done. There is a rheumatologist. next door to him but he has this huge study going on and he seems more interested in that study than anything else. Even my girlfriend made the same observation. I think it is time for me to change to another hospital. It is a teaching hospital. I like my doc and he does know his medications VERY well. I’ve not had a freaking blood test in four years! I thought he had ordered one but he had ordered a full battery of test that would take a week, including some I can’t do. Like a walking stress test. I need one but it needs to be chemical. I ended up getting nothing. Right now, I’m low on cash, can’t get all those test done. I’m hoping that wont be a long time issue. My online business went south on me last month. I don’t think it will be a long term thing. That’s going to delay this a bit. I need to move back to Cebu City. I love living out here in the jungle but the lack of medical services available is an issue. I have to either move or get a car.
I had the classic butterfly rash, vasculitis (small vein and mild). When I woke up with bilateral bells that’s when the Prednisone started at 90mg a day. I was on 60 for a long time and often felt like I would die. I think you know that lupus does still kill but now usually its not direct. Does still happen though, you seem very knowledgeable.
I looked up that drug, I can see that is not one I”m going to go to a pharmacy and buy over the counter and give it to myself. haha Paramedics have a hard time finding my veins. I sure can’t do it. I don’t know if it is here or not but it does sound like a good option for me to look into. I can get stem cell therapy here. I just don’t know where. Right now, I’m basically treating myself. Several rounds of prednisone at 60mg a day for a week. That use to work for about a month but its not working any more. Doctor prescribed the first round. Now I’m taking 10 mg every other day. know I’m playing with fire. This has been going on for a year now with my hands and feet.
Oh well, I’ve rambled on enough. It was the bilateral bells that got the diagnosis of vasculitis but my hand turning black one day and the lump on my leg and the red dots that I still have told me long before that. Also the test for bells were negative and indicated “something centralized” but could never be found. Its been many years since I had a return of the bells. About seven major ones only one bilateral. When that happened, the doc said “well you can’t fake that.” LOL Yes it has all made me a bit of hypochorndiac. But tht is because so much of what I use to think was normal was not normal at all. I haven’t a clue what is normal and abnormal any more
I hate it when the docs treat me that way. If they think I don’t know they are thinking of that, they masively underestimate my skills of observation.
Not as good as theirs though, I’m sure.
I’ll just keep feeding you thoughts and you can absorb or dismiss based on your lifetime of knowledge about your situation.
Lupus can be diagnosed by blood test, looking for certain antibodies. If docs have said it’s an auto immune disorder, but not Lupus, odds would seem good your blood test said that. That’s definitive.
Remicade is no longer new. It has rocketed up the annual sales list of drugs. Some of that is price. Some of that is . . . it works for the people with the disorders. If you’re at a teaching hospital, they know about it. Chat with them about it. It’s at least 10 years old now.
A bit of perspective re Remicade and other drugs. Drug companies don’t make money curing disease. They make money treating disease. The most lucrative drugs keep a patient alive and happy to be on that drug, but it doesn’t cure the disease. If you cure it, sales stop.
Address docs thinking hypochondriac thoughts (and don’t blame them, they see nearly 100 patients a week and of that hundred, 20 are hypochondriacs) by having your written medical records. For your life. If they see records of you being treated for the same thing since your 20′s and 30′s, they will stop the hypo thoughts. Maybe try to email your old docs back in the US.
Last thought, your body size and age. It’s pretty common for a person to say or think . . . I’ve been on this drug before and it used to work but now it doesn’t. Or I tried this drug and it didn’t work before so I’m not bothering with it now. Drugs go into you and establish a concentration level in your blood/tissues. If you are treating yourself and you read that such and such a dosage is normal, but you are very much overweight, then the dosage you have specified may be too low to reach a desired concentration. You either have to research this or talk to a doc. Preferably talk to a doc. Similarly, you have never been 53 before. Your body changes with age. Drugs that used to work might not now, and vice versa. A big part of all this is going to a doc, who sees you as one of 100 that week, and have him prescribe something and it doesn’t work and you dismiss him. Bad move. He is working from the same cookbook any other doc works from. You have to give him time to try other things and other dosages.
Sometimes I wonder if you’re a doctor. Or at least some medical training? Some doctors believe the way to diagnose lupus is via blood test. Most experts in the field and the Lupus foundation agree that is not enough. I’ve forgotten much more than I remember about lupus. I use to study and write about it all the time. Now I prefer to not think about it. haha Sometimes the situation doesn’t allow me to forget. I’m not doing too badly right now except for my feet and hands and reoccurring chest infections.
I’ve found your information to be helpful, though based on what I know antibody test are not sufficient to diagnose lupus. The same is true for scleroderma. At least according to the Lupus Foundation and Scleroderma Foundation.
aura
I test positive for the antibodies MOST of the time but not always But it is barely positive do doctors tend to dismiss it. Some people do test positive and do not have lupus. Yet, I’ve had doctors tell me if you don’t test positive you don’t have it.
I even test positive most of the time for one antibody that most doctors say always means lupus. But I think its 20% of those with lupus test positive for anti nucleus antibodies. I do sometimes, I think most of the time but not always. I test positive for the standard anti-dna most of the time. Use to be 1:40 most of the time but the last test I saw was 1:80 that’s getting more definite.
There are seven things or there were seven symptoms to diagnose lupus. The last time I saw the list, I think it was down to five.
Lupus is most often diagnosed by history. Unless your anti-dna is like 1:200 that test along is uncertain. Maybe its less than that as that is a highly positive count.
I don’t remember what the seven things were but I had six of them though some doctors discount my positive test. MOST rheumamologist do not. They say I have lupus but I found one very good lupus doc that was not sure at all. When you go to see him, he’ll likely get a call from another doctor that needs help making a dx or with a treatment plan. I got to hear some of those conversations. I find them very interesting. I came very close to a major in pre-med but with my health issues it probably a very good thing I didn’t do that. I didn’t do it because I was poor and I needed to make money faster than that. I love biology, but such at chemistry. I probably wouldn’t have made it through the chemistry parts.
Its all very interesting to me even if I didn’t have it. There’s no doubt I have lupus in my mind but what I probably have is mixed connective tissue disorder as I have symptoms of several of the auto-immune disorders. There is a doctor that visits my page and she told me that was likely the most correct diagnoses. Funny thing, I told my doctors that 20 years ago.
But they know medicine much better than I do. While I’m sure doctors know things about me I don’t know, overall I know more about me than they do.
I really don’t dwell it. I have some limitations that bothers those around me much more than the bother me. I just do the best I can. Funny, I get criticized a lot for doing the best I can. Lately, there are a few things I could be doing better but I want go into them as someone will make me mad. Telling me how stupid it is when I already know that.
I don’t really think of blaming the doctors for thinking I’m a hypochondriac but if I were going to blame someone, who else would I blame? Some don’t like it that I research things. Some get offended if I tell them too much.
I try not to just steer them there but sometimes I have to do more than that. When I brought up scrleo with my present doctor, he firt totally dismissed it. Then he looked it up on the web and I talked with him more and I could tell by the end of the visit that he wasn’t dimissing it any more. I could also tell, I know more about sclreo than he does.
No, I wouldn’t dismiss anything you said. I’ve gotta go work on stuff. I’m swamped with site problems right now.
Understood on all, Rusty. You have 20 years of reading in you on this.
“No easy bruising” . . . that’s monitoring side effects of drugs, and btw it would be pred that does it. Small heads up. Long term pred can induce a diabetes like result. It’s bad stuff and of all the things you have said, self treating with prednisone is the thing that worries me most. You should not be doing that. Only take pred under a doc’s review. It can weaken vessel walls, like excess glucose, especially capillaries and presto, easy bruising on the surface ( and far worse problems internally ). You can take long term pred, but only if all monitoring is done.
Lupus vs not Lupus . . . doesn’t matter. You have a disease that causes what it causes. You don’t really have to have a name for it.
Last heads up: the scleroderma . . . topical corticosteroid cream.
Once a we were looking at a spinal tap. I didn’t want to do it of course. The doc said there’s really no point. If the test comes back negative or if it comes back positive, I’m not going to change your treatment so why do it?
Sounded darn good to me. I think Lupies want a definitive dx because of all the doubt we get. “you don’t look sick.” Boss told me that once. I don’t think he believed me for a long time.
Once he called me into the office, you took 2 hours of SL today and you’re taking 2 hours of SL tomorrow to see the doctor? I didn’t even get at the time that he didn’t get it and was accusing me of lying. He was my bosses.
One I started working directly for him, he saw something else happen. Sometimes he had a look of deep guilt for his disbelief.
But all the spinal tap would do is give me a definite dx of CNS lupus as we lupies call it.
She did document once or twice that I was confused. Couldn’t grasp or hold onto ideas. Simple ones.
AFter the first “bells” I noticed I was having trouble recognizing people. If they’d bring me something to my desk at work for a question and leave it with me, I couldn’t find them to return their file to them. lol I couldn’t remember what they looked like. I soon found a way to compensate but i don’t remember what that was now.
Only a few years ago did I find out that has an actual name and some people have great difficulty in recognizing their own children. I’m certainly not that involved.
Yeah prednisone did cause diabetes in me at one point and it went away once I came down on the prednisone.
I know its dangerous but I don’t know what else to do. I’ve resisted it for a year now. I knew full well I could get it. I’m doing every other day to try to keep it to a minimum.
I have diabetes and I’m deeply concerned. I also need to walk. I don’t h ave any hope of getting better sitting on my butt. Its depressing, there are no good options right now.
My hands are like plastic, my feet look like a zombie well so do my hands at times.
There is an excellent gel that i need but I can’t get it. Desonide. I got it when I started having spontaneous bleeding of my forehead.
My primary care seemed alarmed sent me to dermatologist and she was not quick to send me to a specialist. He gave me that and I was shocked at its cost. $200 a tube a i think but once I used it. wow. It was worth twice that, well if you have insurance and I do.
I can’t get it here. Maybe I should look for an online pharmacy for it. I’ll only get half of it back since I live in the Philippines now (from my insurance as its darn hard to find an in plan doctor here. lol).
It might help me get off the Prednisone before I build up a freaking dependance on it. I’m also VERY worried about that.
But desonide, I think that’s the right name came with all kinds of warnings about long term use. Desonate I can get but its not much good in that form. I’m using tridrerm as it is called here as a topical and it helps. Mostly it stops it from crawling up the inside of my fingers which I know is common with sclero. No doubt in my mind that’s what it is.
Oh well, I am a survivor and I will be just fine. Just a rough patch for now.
Sea water helps too.
I missed that about the medical records before. I could tell my current doc had a serious cares of doubt at one point.
I brought some of my medical records with me. the ones with the lupus dx on them and about 20 other things. That did wake him up considerably.
I’m not going to a teaching hospital now. I’m going to what is considered the best hospital in Cebu City. But the doctors hospital is also highly regarded. I’m going to give it a try soon.
You might be surprised what they don’t know about here. I asked about nicorette for example. Didn’t know. Filipinos are tuff, they would just tuff it out even those few that can afford it. i just asked if it was available.
Effexor is not new, I can’t get it here. I did for a long time. I don’t well at if I just stop taking it. For a while I stopped taking it because I couldn’t get it. I was afraid, scared to death because I know how I get when I forget to take it for a couple of days. I become someone else. When I found out I couldn’t get it any more, I started smoking.
Probably the dumbest thing I ever did in my life. But, I know how I get. I got off it just fine but I knew the first time a bump in life came my way, I’d be come obsessed with it. I was right. That was a pretty horrible period and sent me to the net to get more but that scares me. I hate taking this stuff because of what happens when I can’t get it.
There are a lot of drugs here you can’t get and you can’t count on them being in stock either. Heck the city I live in has been out of cokes more than half the time in the last month! These are the kinds of things one must learn to deal with in just about any part of the Philippines but it is worse where I am.
Its a beautiful city and super safe but we have these outages. they turned off the lights for the last four days. Once was six hours, ones about four hours. I can handle it okay until about four hours and then I start to swell. My legs go numb except where they hurt and itch.
They said it was repairs. Bull! Four days in a row? Its the hottest month of the year and most common month for brownouts. They told the governor they had enough power until 2016 I think and they are trying to hide it. That’s my guess anyway.
WEll I’m getting sleepy. Always good to chat with you. Thanks for all the info. I do intend to look into that drug. They need to do at least a freaking blood test.
Most men who criticize the age difference do a very bad job at concealing their jealousy. Any man who condemns it is a fake, because man is driven by a lust for beauty. Most men in the Western world have to condemn it in public because they fear being spurned by society. Western women who are older are just jealous that they can’t do it for themselves. My girl is 26 years my junior. I told her that I was a little too old for her(even though I wanted her) but she said she had a horrible first marriage to a pinoy her age, a guy who stole money from her and beat her on occasion. More than anything she wanted respect and security and somebody who could take care of her. I doubted her sincerity but because of her looks I went with her. We have been together for six years now and I have no complaints. Our life is good and she seems very happy.
Thank god that the diversity of culture, because each people have their own value systems. I despise Westerners who try and impose their values on other people. Many of these girls who are poor are living lives that they only dreamed about. Many poor pinays see these girls and their lives and often dream of having a similar one. Whatever your age or financial circumstances, you can never remove economics from the equation that defines romance. I know many in the States who married girls their own age and lived horrible lives. Humans are just disgustingly judgmental creatures and so hypocritical. For those of us who have these women, lets enjoy ever minute we have them. For those of you who don’t, be honest with yourself!!!!
My question remains the same and if one thinks about, the answer is found in the question.
Demi, for the win.
when i was in the service we went to palawan to train with the filipino marines. i remember patrolling. Walking past this sari sari store, the lady that owned it gave out her daughters number to one of the guys. i was thinking why would she do that? she doesnt know anything about this guy? but you didnt have to look far to see why she she did it. the beach that we arrived at has not seen any economical development, allot of them lived in bamboo huts, no electricity, runing water. what im traying to say is she gave out her daughters number in the hopes of her getting involve with the marine and getting out of that area. this girls in the net shop dont spend hours looking for a foreigner for no reason, finacial stability weighs heavily on theyre mind. do i think its ok for foreigners to be with a woman that could easily be his daugher.no, my reason is because they are push in arms of a foreigner because of poverty. i just think its unfortunate that this woman have to do that, it shows what a woman is capable for a better life, fortunatly for you guys the philippines is corrupt and for that reason theire people cant excape poverty………..those of us in the US. who was dumb enough to believe that Anna nicol smith married that oil tycoon for love?. personally i dont want to be with a woman who is with me because of money, or what i bring to the table.
I don’t want to be with a woman for that reason either. I don’t know really what you’re saying though. If you’re saying that’s why these girls stay with the men they are with then your view is lacking in understanding. There is a huge difference in initial attraction and lasting relationship.
We are a couple just like that in America, my hubby is 26 year my senior (actually he is just 2 years younger than my father) and we have had some funny experiences with it that is for sure. We are in our 6th year of marriage and the both of us have never been happier…we are still on our honeymoon and plan on being that way for the rest of our lives.
He was married for 46 years to his first wife (deceased) and I 13 to my ex — we are both loving the our new lives and the energy we give each other….it's amazing when you find your soulmate…and the years mean nothing.
Anyway if we decide to move to PI then at least we will fit in, lol.
My second wife was 10 years younger than me but she looked younger. When she was 30 years old a bar asked for her ID. What? But we got many looks and when she saw some woman looking down on us she’d hang all over me. Just to get to them. It worked well.
all you guys make good points.. and when i first got here in 2010 i didnt realize how desirable i was! white girls have nothing on the filipina girls. the girls here are second to none. of course there are bad girls everywhere, but i dont go to bars and clubs, ill only meet girls in the mall or online. i love living in the philippines and im sure it wont be long before im married and living my dream.Hooray for me!