There is just no doubt about it, the authorities in the Philippines are out to persecute foreigners that visit or live in the Philippines. The Philippines authorities are out to get the foreigners living in the Philippines. I hear this all the time. Honestly, I’m sick of hearing it. I have seen zero evidence this is true. Still, it is a commonly held belief. Generally it is hogwash. There could be some exceptions. Let’s talk about where I think this idea comes from and where it may actually have some basis.
It can be expressed in many ways. Often someone points out that a foreigner gets into trouble but you
never hear about a Filipino getting into the same trouble. The main reason for this is that the press and the people make a bigger issue out of it when it involves a foreigner. That does not imply that foreigners are treated differently than Filipino are in the legal process.
Its More Scandalous In the Philippines?
The only thing it implies that it sells media. Papers sell better, people go to YouTube and watch TV more and it becomes viral. It may be more scandalous in the Philippines if a foreigner does something less than wise. It is not any more illegal in most cases. It is not treated any different.
The exceptions to it being any more illegal are in the areas of immigration rules. Foreigners have a more restricted right to speech and then there are a whole slew of immigration regulations. The immigration regulations are less stringent than most Western nations though. That’s just not a valid argument. Try to go to the USA on a tourist visa and I think you’ll quickly see it is far more difficult.
The same thing happens in the USA. When a foreigner is at the center of a crime or scandalous situation, the Americans eat this kind of news up. And the press is very happy to give Americans what they want. Doing so brings in the advertising dollars. So this phenomenon is not unique to the Philippines. It really isn’t more scandalous here than in any other place in the world. Only the players change. Now though, it is usually the white man that is an outsider. Some people need to remember how that feels and learn to treat people better.
If there is a shed of truth to the authorities use a double standard where foreigners it comes in three areas. I don’t think there is any truth to it. If there is, it is slight. I really think it is just well through through. Those three areas would include:
- Family Matters
- Especially Foreigners
- Human Trafficking
The Family is King in the Philippines
In the Philippines, especially out in the rural provinces, the concept of family resembles that of “A man’s home is his Castle” in Western law. The importance of family to nearly every Filipino cannot be emphasized strongly enough, It is very unlikely that you will ever come first over your partner’s blood family. I would really hate to see that change myself. It must be nice to know there are people you can count on and not to ever be alone.
When it comes to domestic disputes, authorities are highly reluctant to get involved. I don’t know that it is any truer where a foreigner is married to a Filipina. There might be some difference but I doubt it is very much. If you’re not legally married, well that’s scandalous and will never be as respected as much as a legal marriage in the Philippines. I have seen some evidence that domestic abuse is either more likely when a foreigner is involved or that it is more likely to get reported. I suspect it is more likely to get reported.
If a family asks for police help, the police will help. I’ve seen murder cases where the police stated they would wait for an official request from the family. I don’t remember the particulars. It involved an older couple. I think a man killed his wife in a very brutal fashion. Then set him on fire or something very unusual. He thought she was aswang (shape shifter legend in the Philippines) or the devil or something superstitious. There was likely some dementia involved and it sounded like it was present in both of the parties. The were very old and elders are highly respected in the Philippines.
So the family is king in the Philippines. I’m sure it goes all the way back to tribal times in the Philippines and I hope it is never diminished. If you are a foreigner with no history in the Philippines, no roots and especially have not embraced the culture of the Philippines there is no reasonable expectation for a family to treat you like a Filipino. That family’s loyalty will be with their family member. You can’t expect anything different.
When a family goes to authorities and asks for help that is out of the ordinary and likely to be highly considered. I suspect where the spouse is also Filipino then the family has some societal pressures they don’t have when the spouse is a foreigner. Families like to deal with situations internally. So if the family of a husband were to go to the authorities over a matter, the family of the wife might be offended by this. Also, the community would likely be offended. This would make it even less likely that a Filipino family would go to the authorities. It’s unlikely in the first place.
For these reasons, I think it is merely more likely to get reported to authorities where a foreigner is involved. Once reported, I don’t’ think the authorities are going to act any differently. Though, I’m not sure there wouldn’t be more reluctance when both parties are Filipino. Just seems like human nature to me.
And Especially Foreigners
Twice I’ve heard prosecutors in the Philippines use the term of “Especially foreigners.” It made me a little sad to hear it honestly. I don’t think there is any basis in the law for it. I’m pretty certain there is not. Neither of these prosecutors were on the payroll of the government of the Philippines.
They were special prosecutors. Interest groups had hired them to prosecute a case. In one of those
cases the prosecutor was hired by an agency in Cebu, I think it was the Department of Social Welfare and Development but I’m not at all certain.
One of the cases involved a possible pedophile and the other was an environmental issue centered in Bantayan Island.
I see it as more of an expression of the feeling of the people of the Philippines rather than the government and I’ve only seen two instances of it.
Many believe that if you end up in a court against a Filipino, then there might be some bias to you. I know expats that have been involved in legal situations and won their disputes. I also know of a case relating to a resort where there appeared to be some bias.
I don’t think that bias had anything to do with foreigner vs. locals. I think it had to do with powerful family vs. a non powerful person. If true, then I don’t think it has anything to do with the loosing party being a foreigner. The resort issue isn’t an opinion I’m willing to discuss in public in much detail. It is covered more in my eBook but with some caution there as well. I don’t ‘think angering a powerful political family in the Philippines is a great idea nor do I think it would be a great idea in the USA either.
Human Trafficking is a Foreign Problem
I’ve seen too many instances of officials in the Philippines stating something like this for it to be ignored. I’ve seen statements to the effect that is always a foreign problem. I don’t think that is true. Now I would say that international trafficking always is by definition but much of the trafficking under today’s definition of human trafficking occurs internally. It is often completely internal and involves only Filipinos.
I see numerous instances of Filipinos being charged with human trafficking. I believe that far more natives are prosecuted under this law than foreigners. Many times even in international trafficking the only person that gets “nabbed” is the Filipinos. The Filipinos in the Philippines that are assisting the foreign operation. The foreigner never enters the Philippines. That makes jurisdiction a complex situation and perhaps the other country not agreeing that it is a trafficking situation under their law.
When a Filipino is involved it will get some press. Probably online but not plastered all over the front pages for days at a time. It won’t be the lead story on the nightly TV news and it won’t go viral. There isn’t as much public interest. So we don’t hear much about it. Now if a foreigner does the same thing, then yes, it will very likely get more coverage. It might get international coverage. That’s not a function of the government. Public pressure can influence government though. I don’t’ think there is any doubt about that. That isn’t unique to the Philippines.
I’d love nothing more to see the “Us vs. them” mentality leave the human condition. I don’t see it going away any time soon. It is not unique to the Philippines. I believe the Philippines to be far less racial country than the USA. Race just doesn’t play as big of a part in the day to day lives of the people. Oh, it plays some role.
There is animosity toward Koreans and it comes from both the locals and other foreigners. I don’t know any Koreans so I don’t know. I suspect the hard feelings are caused by misinterpretations of cultures. That does not imply that foreigners are treated any differently here than are the local by the government of the Philippines. And some Filipino don’t like Westerners at all. They are the exception and I suspect most of them would not display their dislike. The time I have seen that is from overseas Filipino. Usually young men that have never been in the Philippines. Their culture is Western, and not the same as Filipino living in the Philippines.
What are your thoughts? Have you seen yourself where this has happened, where a foreigner was treated differently? If so, I’d love to hear about it if you’re willing to go into the details of it. In cases where you heard about a situation, well, I’ve heard lots of stuff that gets passed around different communities in the Philippines. I just don’t find any evidence of it happening in my life in the Philippines. I hope I never do see it but I know I had a lot of fear of being treated badly because I am a foreigner. That fear based on what others said. What I found was the fear to be completely unjustified.
I have been well welcomed. I get special treatment that is favorable. I have never been treated badly by anyone because I’m a foreigner that I know of. Don’t believe everything a so called expat tells you. Chances are, he’s not really an expat that has actually lived in the Philippines. To be an expat, you’re home must be in a country other than where you were born. Until that happens, the person is not committed to his new land. That’s okay, it’s a personal choice. Such a person can have a lot of knowledge about another land. There will however be gaps in that knowledge. Gaps that an expat can see quickly.
Enjoy the Philippines without fear of being persecuted by the authorities. I have been living in the Philippines for more than four years and I don’t’ see any of it. One day, I hope to start a business in the Philippines so I can explore that aspect of it. If there is any bias, it may lay there. I don’t have any experience in that and neither do most other expats.
I do not believe that in our day to day lives of the average foreigner living in the Philippines, there is any bias by authorities toward us. If there is any, all I’ve seen is favorable bias.
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I really think that the years of our military being there treating the land as a party capital as well as the people, has tarnished the reputation of foreigners and especially Americans. I am in complete awe of the culture and people who seem to have tapped into another source of strength to supply them with the hope and faith they need daily to keep their heads up and help each other. I realize there are bad filipino, but I also have come to understand that the average Filipino possess a spiritual knowledge of life we do not understand here in America. I hope within the next couple of years I am able to go over and visit the Philippines and experience for myself all of these per-conceived notions I have about the culture and people, for myself. I think the land is not only a tropical paradise due to location and tropical surroundings but also the people appear to be some of the most down to earth and decent people in the world.
Hit @Tom Grayton I'm not sure that military presence had much of an effect outside the Subic and Angeles and Mania area. I think there it is missed by many. By no means all. A lot of what happens in Manila gets applied to the entire country and that will give someone an less than accurate view of the Philippines. i don't have a lot of time in Manila, hardly any at all. I have been planning to visit this year. Don't know if I'll be able too. I'm certain Manila is not like most of the rest of the country. Manila is about 10% of the population. The other 90% live out in the provinces. I don't know because I wasn't here during those years but I don't believe the military presence had much of an impact on most of the country. I also suspect, just a guess, those most opposed to military here were opposed due to their own financial interest.
Now there were mass demonstrations and a lot of anger in the area of the basis. I just don't think there was any long lasting effect on the population as a whole.
What you're saying about the people is pretty dead on though. I'm unclear on the role of religion in their high level of contentedness. I get what I have from that but I'm not sure about Filipino. They do tend to be very religious people. They are happy, smiling, welcoming people. I'm sure religion plays a significant role in it but I don't think that explains it completely. Filipinos are, as a whole,a great bunch of people. A lot of what we hear is from those visiting the steamier side of the Philippines and in those places trouble is more likely to happen. You're right though, great people. Forgiving, happy and welcoming. I was amazed at how the people treated me out in the jungle. Once I left Cebu City and got out into the more rural areas, people were extremely friendly.
I want to go visit the Ocean Park in Manila and see some of the sites there and some of the huge malls. I need to go to the embassy but there is no hurry. I think I'll shut up now. haha I hope you don't have to wait too much longer to come enjoy the Philippines. I think you'll be happy here just don't expect to much. People are people and we've got common traits that have been with us since we first appeared on earth.
Rusty Ferguson, I was stationed at Clark AB from '87-'91. The majority of the protesters were rich college students from Manila, augmented by paid protesters (P20 was the going rate back then). Several times local shop owners and residents staged counter-protests against these people. I was also at Camp O'Donnell in the Capas/Tarlac area…a much smaller group of military and to talk to the locals you'd hardly notice we were there, it just wasn't a big deal to them.
Charlie Fricke Hey Charlie,yeah I wouldn't think that the local shop owners would have wanted that. I've always guessed that the military caused foreigners to supply those markets and the bigger local business probably were not to keen on that. Am I own the right track? Protest are almost always centered around college kids. They have that tight network that can expand quickly, go viral as we cal it today. Great place to organize something.Working with kids people don't have the time nor the energy.
Some wonder if China would now be doing what it is doing if the US base were still here. I'd say the answer is a clear resounding no they would not. But if the Filipino didn't want it, that's for them to decide. I'm sure the merchants around those bases wanted that base to stay. Loosing a base is devastating to an economy.
China is becoming a bully and it looks to get worse. Some fear an invasion. I just can't see that happening. I don't think that China has any delusions about the USA sitting back and allowing that to happen. But hey, we hit Iran without just cause. It could happen.
Actually, the military had a fairly large "buy Filipino" program. If it could be supplied locally, we were required to buy it there. A lot of my basic electronic components were Filipino made. The wife & I were in Angeles last month, and it's bigger & busier than it ever was when the US was there. We cruised around the Clark Economic Zone a bit and I must say I was pretty impressed with how they've turned a disaster into a fairly positive outcome. We definitely wouldn't want to move back there though; we were glad to get back here to quiet Cebu.
I guess in light of all that was said here, and with the crap China is now pulling – I would like to see the military back in the Philippines if just to let China know we are watching their actions closely.
Tom Crayton the US military never entirely left the PI, they just closed the bases. They've been rotating troops through Jolo for years and the Navy does frequent exercises w/ the Filipino military. I don't know if they'll ever re-establish permanent bases here, but I kind of doubt it as they're expensive to maintain and a political nightmare. Expect to see more "Visiting Forces" as China flexes their muscles. It's really about oil/gas and control of the sea lanes, not "helping" the Philippines; that's just a side benefit, which I don't mind at all. Some argue that we're provoking the situation, but without someone providing a buffer China would probably take over the whole region.
I knew we had about 160 special forces helping with the fight against the Abu Sayaff down south of Cebu. I think the politicians are trying to turn that homegrown kidnap for ransom group into something its not with ties to Al Queida. I don't believe that's the case, but none the less I wish now after thinking about it after reading all of the comments to my statement to Rusty, that we had not closed our bases there. I think there is something to be said that we treated it like a party capital, but also that is probably what was built around the bases as well. Ask and you shall receive, as they say.
Charlie Fricke I'd like to visit, SEE the steamier side and come back home.
Actually, they play down the ties to al-Qaeda. I've done some research and the ties are much stronger than the USA or the RP seems to want to acknowledge.
If that base was still here, I suspect China would not be so willing to go to war with the Philippines. That will likely be my what my next article is about. I don't think the USA is going to help the Philippines in this matter.
I think we will help, Rusty. I really do.
I agree with everything you said, all my experiences have been mostly positive and that is why I love the Filipino people.
Richard, That's because I'm always right. haha Sorry, I couldn't resist that one. The people of the Philippines are awesome and sometimes they don't even know it. Though humility is a big part of the culture too so they may just be unwilling to admit it. I'm not certain about that.
My wife is from Leyte, we were there a few months ago ( this is trip 5) and I have never had a problem. perhaps the people that get into trouble are hanging around working girls, drunk…drawing attention to themselves. I have always found authoriries willing to help, especially foreigners.
Yes, there is always more trouble around those kind of places. The people are sometimes hardened and jaded, been lied to to many times and well, its just not the safest thing to do.
But you're own to something here. Most of the people that have truly vile attitudes about the Philippines seem to come here for just that purpose. They are not likely to talk about that but once you listen to how they see te Philippines and know that that the Philippines is not like that at all, then you soon know where they have been. They go to these places and decide the entire country is that way. It takes incredible short sightedness to think that way but many do.
I am married to a beautiful filipino woman from Cebu. The only time where I have encountered a problem with her and anyone from Cebu was when I didn't think about what (and more importantly) how I have said something. BUT, you get that in any country for that matter.
In any case, I find Cebu more like home to me than I do in my own country of Canada. The people are friendlier and the lifestyle is more conducive to the way I want to enjoy life.
What I notice is that foreigners are usually treated better than the locals in a lot of cases. For example, when entering a store and the security guards at the door will greet me but often times will not acknowledge my wife. But…that probably wasn't meant to be intentional.
All in all, I can't wait to get back to my family and my life in Cebu as I am back in Vancouver on business.
Hi Doug, thanks for your comment, entering a shopping location is where we often get favorable treatment. We usually are not searched as closely as most others. Really though, how many terrorist are middle aged white guys? We can't be the most threatening group on earth.
Living in The Philippines. The Cebu Experience Hahaha….very true. I have to agree with your article because even in Mango Square (night life area) when I have been approached by police it is usually because they want to make sure that I know the people I am sitting with. Which I don't go there unless I do know who I am with (like the my ex-staff at my last hotel I helped manage).
They seem to be more heavy-handed with the locals than with foreigners.
I even lived in Manila…same thing there as well.
Anyway, I am really enjoying this website…thanks for doing this. Take care for now.
Doug Scarrow I have not frequented that area. I'm usually out with my girl and she's mildly interested in going. I don't know a lot of expats and many that I do know, I don't care for. There are a bunch of scamming lying expats in the Cebu area especially on the web. Just no interest in being associated with those people. Some of what they do on the web is horrible old spam methods that simply don't work. I would like to go to the Mango area and party a bit. With me living way out in the jungle it makes it hard for me to get to know those in the city and I'm a homebody anyway. I'd like to find a group to hang with but no luck so far.
Doug Scarrow hmmm, I replied to this last night. Where you hiding my comment at FB??? Sometimes they show back up days later. I don't get it. Yeah, the police are more heavy handed with the local. They give us dumb kano a bit more leeway and we need it.
Well, i'm planing to visit the country soon..i have a plan to move there later..nice place to get old..;).
I've done just that. 80 miles to get to a theater. That's the down side. Where are you planning on going?
well,i'm looking for my soul-mate at first ,but i think it will be one of the popular areas..cebu or near palawan..i'm an ex S.F. at the moment i'm living in the UK..and believe me i'm sick of this "western" life style..and the fast living world..I want some piece,and the philippines seems to me just what i want..maybe finally i can have my own fam..I'm amazed of the values of those girls..
really? Yes its true. Palawan is really a very nice place. It's a paradise.
Laszlo Elias Yeah me too. I've been working way to hard lately. I need to stop trying new things as it makes me tense. I'm hoping to go island hoping in a few days. I'm in a serious need of a break.
Lyn Jen I don't think I'd want to live there but I wouldn't be completely opposed to it either.. It is really nice there. I love Palawan too.
Howewer I will visit the country later this year..
Been many places in Philippines. 7 times I have been there sence 2001. Never had a problem w/the law. hopeing to retrun manduae in june. I to hang out at places like the church or squaters areas. Most will invite me.
Mandaue is a busy place these days. Crime rate a bit higher there. Gangs are getting active in the area which i really hate to see. Most of the crime is business on business though. Lots of hits, businesses taking each other out. i say lots, it seems like lots because there are more than what you normally see in the Philippines. I've not read about any lately. Hopefully it has simmered down now. Didn't usually involve foreigners. I like to visit the churches and squatter areas myself. Great place to take pictures. Though most of the people in the squatters areas are great people, I do think you'd be more likely to run into some bad apples there. I'm on high alert when I go there. I'd love to go with you though.
Living in The Philippines. The Cebu Experience sounds good would love to take u under the bridge and see the people. I have been Manila.Camotes island,Bohal,davao city Ozamas,But I always come back 2 my number 1 place Cebu far north as catmen to Alcoy in the south. I let u know when am back as i stay close to nature Springs in Mandaue. GB
Terry Gilfillen Are you talking about that bridge on the edge of town, buses go through there on the way to Bogo City. That area has been one I've always wanted to take pictures. i need a CAR!
Hey Rusty, outoftheblue here, I've been here in Bohol for three weeks now and have been treated with great respect. I have found that a simple thank you delivered with a smile goes a long way. I feel very safe here. This trip was a test run for a permanent move to Phil and despite the differences, I love it here.
It does go a long way. Salamat Po will go a bit further if you can remember. I’m not good at remembering that. Also when people are staring do the same, smile and say hello. They just want to know you’re not rude before they talk to you in most cases. I’m pretty shy but I know many are eager to interact with me so I initiate it often. Have to keep in mind that some grumpy old man might have proceeded you. I’m glad things are going well for you. Have fun!
I have always been respected and treated well in the Philippines.
For many foreigners the Philippines is not as safe as it appears.
I recommend that you watch this video of the FAC Philippines.
Hi, I found this video a few years ago myself. And I am glad you posted the link. I grabbed it and embedded it instead of a link.
There are some real problems in this video. The biggest being, they don’t even touch on the facts of why these people. They make all kinds o accusations about innocent foreigners. But like China, they can say anything.
It sure isn’t the Philippines I know. Reported him to immigration so they could take over the house? Report him for what? I’m not buying that the guys are innocent because they don’t tell us anything.
It is just a lot of unsupported one sided allegations. And it isn’t anything close to what I’ve experienced in the Philippines.
It might be a great organization but these videos are just promotional. I’d love to know more. For now, they just don’t mean anything.
And these folks stayed after they got out? If the Philippines locked me up and I had done nothing, I’d be gone the day I got out. There are other places in the world. I’m a firm believer in the Judge Judy rule “If it doesn’t make sense, its probably not true.”
Show me?